Curse

XvArchonvX · Oct 09, 2006, 06:34 PM // 18:34

I have no sympathy for people who get bent out of shape by people asking for prices that they don't agree with. Convenience comes at a price. Some people would rather pay too much for an item than wait forever to find one at a 'fair' price. The same goes for people that are willing to sell items for low amounts of money even though they could get a greater amount for it if they were to either be patient or perform some other task.

/agrees that thread should be closed

Indian · Oct 09, 2006, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

I guess it was the last line of my OP that upset you all, so sad, I am just seeing all of you bash it because it seems some of you have taken advantage of less experienced players. *Hangs head*, *Kicks Dirt*

Welcome to Real World?

if the person is new, he/she has to learn lessons, it may take time to adapt, its simple.. still i dont get why you calling it Scam.

Thats how the trading goes in Real world.

Theus · Oct 09, 2006, 06:41 PM // 18:41

It isnt scamming.

Since when was getting something in return scamming?

If I offer to pay 1 g for all Commendations and a player sells me some,did I scam him?

No.It was his bloody choice to sell such items to me for such a price.

The sellers are to blame.Not the "scammers".

Puddin Cheeks · Oct 09, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

It is funny that everyone keeps comparing the game to the "real" world. Also, No I am not new, having been playing GW since it released. I was just expecting more people that like to help other players to speak up on this. Apparently I have thrown myself at the mercy of you all because I am nice enough to help other players. Sorry, I didn't know that was a bad trait to have and Play (Virtual) Games. Obviously, the way we are supposed to act in the 'Virtual' World is Kill or Be Killed.

Kha · Oct 09, 2006, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

It is funny that everyone keeps comparing the game to the "real" world. Also, No I am not new, having been playing GW since it released. I was just expecting more people that like to help other players to speak up on this. Apparently I have thrown myself at the mercy of you all because I am nice enough to help other players. Sorry, I didn't know that was a bad trait to have and Play (Virtual) Games. Obviously, the way we are supposed to act in the 'Virtual' World is Kill or Be Killed.

Stop trying to sound like an angel in the game. Just because others don't agree with you and you use that to belittle them and make yourself sound better doesn't make it true.

There is no scamming going on here. Simply put, if people want to "invest" in something blindly without knowing who is getting the best deal then they are screwing themselves over. PERIOD.

I've sold plenty of stuff cheaper than it is worth cause I really don't care about making the most money in this game. I just want to get rid of it and rather sell to players than to the merchant even if the merchant would give me more money. I play the way I want to. If people want to sell that low, then let them. You can't stop everyone from making stupid decisions.

/closed

Gah, sometimes I wish I still was a mod

Eviance · Oct 09, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Hun scamming is when you agree to trade for a certain amount and then screw that person out of it by ways of taking it back or changing the amount and so forth. The knowledge is there and if they haven't been looking around to find out how to trade something that they have so much of, then that is their own fault.

Not to mention its 50g and for most people 50g isnt worth crying over... It could also be that some people know how much they are worth and choose to sell them cheaply because they really don't need the money. The buyer isn't forcing that price on the seller and the seller isn't looking to find a better buyer.

Trvth Jvstice · Oct 09, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Puddin, I agree that it's wrong for the guy to buy the commendations etc from new players that don't know better. But--It isn't a scam as defined by anet or gwguru or guildwiki.

When you see dirtbags taking advantage of new players, you can always step up and let the uninformed know what's going on. I do and I've seen many other nice people do the same.

Remember, many people don't share the same morals as you and I.

Puddin Cheeks · Oct 09, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by Kha

Stop trying to sound like an angel in the game.

I never tried to say that, but apparently the only way to play the game is to be a complete A**hole.

Former Ruling · Oct 09, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Overprotective mother syndrome anyone? A mother that shelters their kids in doors, doesn't let them go to the movies or to parties for fear of drugs and such, doesn't let them play video games and goes to meetings saying violent movies and games should be banned.

Basically does everything for the kid - EXCEPT - actually raising them into adults. Then they complain that their kid is a rapist, has depression/suicide thoughts, or shots up his school.

My point being in that little speech is that you CANNOT protect everyone from the world.

You are getting up on your soapbox in this thread proclaiming that we are A-holes for not standing up against the BLASPHEMY of someone taking 50gp from a newbie.

You know what? This world, and this game, are all full of people out to take advantage of you and these newbies. Its even worse in the game because people tend to forget their morals and such when they dont actually know the person. YOu know we all had that moment where we sold something cheaper because we didnt know price, or that moment we fell for a scam, and we learned from it. If you really want to teach people then teach them, don't go on little Tyraids against the world, and furthermore know that you dont help everyone.

The Mighty Toe · Oct 09, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

No offense to you, but you are basically complaining about clever trading. To use a similar explanation as yours; if person A does not know the value of item x, and person B does, yet is also willing to buy them for a price lower than the value of x, and A wants to sell them, who are we to stop B doing that?

Jetdoc · Oct 09, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

It's the same with Monestary Credits...you can trade them in for Scrolls of Adventurer Insight, which you can sell for 100g.

Yet, you constantly see people spamming "WTB Monestary Credits for 50g or 75g"...

Puddin Cheeks · Oct 09, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Overprotective mother syndrome anyone? A mother that shelters their kids in doors, doesn't let them go to the movies or to parties for fear of drugs and such, doesn't let them play video games and goes to meetings saying violent movies and games should be banned.

Basically does everything for the kid - EXCEPT - actually raising them into adults. Then they complain that their kid is a rapist, has depression/suicide thoughts, or shots up his school.

Finally, someone with a sense of humor and also at the same time a master of Psychology.

So as soon as you get burned on a scam, turn around and take out your vengence on others. Nice Logic?

Also, tyriad against the world.... Yeah that was what I had in Mind. ROTFLMAO

tivaan stormbringer · Oct 09, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

That isnt scamming. That is like saying: If plant fibers can bought from a trader for 17 gold ea and sold to that trader for 12 gold each....but you advertise that you want to buy those for 10 ea from everyone. You are trying to save money by buying everyone elses, its all about trying to make the little money some of us have to get what we want out of the game too. Not everyone is uber rich and as long as people can check prices before they sell then there is no scam involved, people make their own choices in the end.

Thargor · Oct 09, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Just so I am sure I have this straight, we are bickering over a loss of 50g right?
If this is scamming then I have a TON of reports that I need to send in to support. I used to stand in the monastery and hand out 50g to anyone that needed it to open storage. 99% of these people would immediatly pay me back, and most of them would give back more than the 50g that I gave them. a few wouldnt pay me back and that was fine too. So the question is who is the scammer. the people who didn't pay me back (even though i never asked for repayment from any of them), or was I the scammer for taking more than the 50g I gave out?

This is one of the most useless threads I have seen on guru and I am surprised it has not been closed.
Bottom line is that if I post to buy anything at a price and someone sells it to me for that price no one was scammed, regardless of the actual price of the item traded.

Trvth Jvstice · Oct 09, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by The Mighty Toe

No offense to you, but you are basically complaining about clever trading. To use a similar explanation as yours; if person A does not know the value of item x, and person B does, yet is also willing to buy them for a price lower than the value of x, and A wants to sell them, who are we to stop B doing that?

I really don't think it's the same. The people the OP is complaining about, are taking advantage of new players, not just making a good profit from an item/weapon sale. Sure, it's not a scam, but it's still wrong (aka immoral).

Of course if the person selling the commendations just wants to get rid of them and isn't concerned about the gold he didn't get, that's a different matter.

Also, helping a new player to not get taken advantage of isn't the same as an overprotective parent. It actually lets the new player be aware that they should be careful about buying/selling items.

myword · Oct 09, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Eviance

Hun scamming is when you agree to trade for a certain amount and then screw that person out of it by ways of taking it back or changing the amount and so forth.

technically he's right, meriam webster defines a scam as "a fraudulent or deceptive/dishonest act or operation"

Kha · Oct 09, 2006, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

I really don't think it's the same. The people the OP is complaining about, are taking advantage of new players, not just making a good profit from an item/weapon sale. Sure, it's not a scam, but it's still wrong (aka immoral).

Just because the player is new doesn't mean they don't have the common sense to find out the real value of the item. I see plenty of people asking for price checks on things like commendations and what not. And people reply with honest answers.

Nor is it only new players that sell for this "low" price without knowing the true value of the item. Many veteran players just don't put 2+2 together. Time played means nothing. It's actually taking the time to learn the economy of the game that helps you make the most money possible or not get ripped off.

If two people agreeing to the price of the commendation and trading it for 100 or 150 gold is immoral, then all trading in the game is immoral since there is no defined prices (just guidelines) and we just sell at what we agree to.

Maxiemonster · Oct 09, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

Okay then I should have named my thread 'Who is Noble enough to prevent people from selling Commendations for 150g'

Noble? Seriously, it's actually everything besides noble to say something like that. While you'd be wasting your time trying to prevent people from losing Guild Wars gold, you could've earned a couple of dollars to save lives from people in a 3rd world country. I don't really care if you give money to poor people or not (I don't either), but you should either worry about important stuff, or don't worry at all.

DeathandtheHealing · Oct 09, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

i thought it was just to save money on getting the elite mission keys?

cause thats what i was using them for on the elite mission weekend lol... ended up hating them anyways.

nomercy · Oct 09, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

buy low sell high, get it?